Chatroom…

Posted by CamiKaos on February 22, 2009

By popular demand here is the text of live chat room from the 02/20/09 episode with Raven & James.  We missed some of it somewhere when the computer went down, but this is what we were able to piece together for your reading needs.

Edit:  @verso just sent me the rest of it… lucky you

from @BMW

22:27 schwa : kinda/sorta/not really
22:27 turoczy : @bmw That color is not good on you
22:27 timsears : lolz
22:27 verso : @turoczy:  Jeans that go with the shirt I keep telling you to take off?
22:27 nahbois : BMW change your type color….. you’re blinding me.
22:27 EndlessMonkeys : I think that you can build loyalty in the mobile sphere
22:27 timsears : i’ll do some more research
22:27 dieselboi : i’m wearing jeans
22:27 agray : I’m considering an iPhone just for the iFart apps.
22:27 verso : boy oh boy did it get saucy in a hurry up in here. And I’m not responsible at ALL.
22:27 BMW : @suggest a color?
22:27 turoczy : @verso So long as the request remains with the shirts
22:28 sharrypdx : yeah  verso!
22:28 nahbois : lighter blue
22:28 dieselboi : Raven has cool glasses
22:28 BMW : did this work?
22:28 ahockley : @dieselboi but I loaded Twitteriffic on my iTouch. It worked three times, then crashes every time on launch.  The answer was remove/reinstall.  Is this windows?
22:28 aweiss : that’s because they’re iGlasses.
22:28 verso : (innocent whistling)
22:28 schwa : diesel: make sure you ask him him about the glasses
22:28 verso : @bmw much better
22:28 aweiss : #rimshot
22:28 BMW : oh ya, love that… okay
22:28 nahbois : perfecto
22:28 schwa : HE Loves glasses related questions
22:28 BMW : thanks for your help @verso
22:28 dougcoleman : No *** man, change that obnoxious color
22:28 dieselboi : not sure
22:28 pdxjoe : @ahockley…. I had the same issue with twitteriffic
22:28 dougcoleman :
22:28 sharrypdx : how expensive is it to create an app?
22:29 sharrypdx : Is it cost effective for a smaller company?
22:29 dieselboi : many apple apps have notes like – if it doesn’t work, power off and on
22:29 schwa : sharry: define your app
22:29 EndlessMonkeys : do iphone apps run in the background?
22:29 schwa : sharry: it can be
22:29 timsears : i’m not a big fan of twitteriffic. it seems so slow to me.
22:29 verso : I think it’s funny that the biggest person in the studio audience is typing on the smallest laptop in the studio audience.
22:29 dieselboi : not good, but a better model
22:29 schwa : sharry http://iphoneswpro.com/
22:29 dieselboi : than blackberry
22:29 sharrypdx : really schwa?
22:29 schwa : group of indipendent iphone devs who you should talk to if you want an app written
22:29 nahbois : stupid question — are there special programming languages for  apps?
22:29 dieselboi : @verso – BOOYA!
22:29 schwa : nahbola: yes. objective-c
22:29 znmeb : java
22:29 schwa : its a variant of c
22:30 znmeb : android is java
22:30 schwa : no java on iphone sorry
22:30 turoczy : Amazon? Sorry I don’t follow Seattle companies
22:30 verso : @nahbois: not a total separate one but yes.
22:30 dieselboi : i actually don’t like tweetie
22:30 aweiss : and Pre will be a Javascript/HTML derivative
22:30 ahockley : @turoczy I think that Amazon company is trying to compete with Powell’s or something
22:30 druey : Yay for Tweetie!
22:30 dieselboi : prefer twitterfon
22:30 verso : mmmm. Tweetie.
22:30 dieselboi : tweetie with bacon
22:30 nahbois : thanks!
22:30 EndlessMonkeys : paid apps. sore subject on the G1. I’m still a bit shocked by paid apps showing up
22:30 znmeb : tweetie??
22:30 letsroll : prefer twitterfon too
22:30 EndlessMonkeys : altho I do think I’d pay for twidroid
22:30 verso : mmmmm….tweetie with bacon….

aaahhhhghghghghghghgghg </homer>
22:30 znmeb : gimme a browser
22:31 dieselboi : i use many due to the limit each have for api calls
22:31 znmeb : brands are for cattle
22:31 letsroll : srsly, the obsession with bacon is a bit much eh
22:31 schwa : yeah bacon is so over
22:31 ahockley : @dieselboi the limit is per user account, not per app
22:31 timsears : you know, I think EA has been overkilling it with their apps
22:31 BMW : hey nahbois!  Ifeel like the entire gang is here in chat
22:31 nahbois : hehe
22:31 aweiss : If bacon’s over, what’s the new bacon?
22:31 dieselboi : really?  @ ahockley
22:31 dieselboi : i didn’t know that
22:31 EndlessMonkeys : @aweiss: turkey bacon
22:31 ahockley : @dieselboi yep
22:31 verso : ok so you guys think people who release G1 apps shouldn’t get ANY compensation for that time?
22:31 agray : sausage
22:31 nahbois : Even @StephStricklen’s dog is here!
22:31 verso : not even a buck apiece?
22:31 BMW : @ahockley — does that mean we should each use multiple identiies?
22:32 verso : @aweiss: Pancetta?
22:32 schwa : verso: that’s the same argument on the iphone
22:32 znmeb : the new bacon is split pea soup
22:32 schwa : “that app should be free”
22:32 BMW : “old media”
22:32 ahockley : @verso who is saying that?
22:32 EndlessMonkeys : @verso since the Andoird OS was pitched SO heavily as an Open source thing
22:32 schwa : see the argument all the time
22:32 EndlessMonkeys : it sort-of defies the “idea” of Open Source
22:32 schwa : you can be open source and $$$
22:32 aweiss : I’m going to go make a cafepress bumper sticker: “Pancetta is the new bacon.”
22:32 BMW : hey aweiss — how are you?
22:32 verso : EMonk: And the phone is free?
22:32 dougcoleman : aweiss- SPAM
22:32 EndlessMonkeys : but that said, I think that good development SHOULD be compensated
22:32 dieselboi : $1 stocks are the new bacon
22:32 znmeb : synergy??
22:32 verso : @dieselboi: But they are ALL dollar stocks now!
22:32 davidkonsumer : i was introduced to this scene with yestterday’s ignote. I thought they were saying bac’n. which is something else.
22:33 znmeb : product placement?
22:33 letsroll : good call @dieselbol
22:33 aweiss : Citigroup is the new bacon! Cheaper than an iFart app!
22:33 Unclenate : panchetta *IS* bacon
22:33 ahockley : I think app developers should feel free to charge whatever they want.
22:33 agray : the new bacon is FauxFu, imatation tofu made from SPAM.
22:33 dieselboi : pinchmedia.com
22:33 verso : @dieselboi: The Fortune 500 is the new McDonald’s value menu.
22:33 dieselboi : 2 days old
22:33 dieselboi : harvested
22:33 schwa : you make no money through ads on the iphone really.
22:33 dieselboi : fava beans
22:33 dougcoleman : Unclenate- so is SPAM (there is probably some bacon parts in there)
22:33 verso : @dieselboi: SMILE! I’m trying kinda hard over here!
22:33 znmeb : chianti
22:33 dieselboi : i will  willlingly pay anything under $3 if i’m interested in it
22:34 dieselboi : i make no judgement
22:34 dieselboi : i try it
22:34 grigs : Pinchmedia slides: http://is.gd/k9NQ
22:34 dieselboi : if it is 99c, i’;m game
22:34 letsroll : they should talk about apps like the $3 app for Prez of USA that has their entire catelog
22:34 dieselboi : EXTREEME
22:34 timsears : What happens when this gold rush tapers off, and we have 100k apps in the app store?
22:35 aweiss : Millions of peaches. Peaches for $3.
22:35 dieselboi : @timsears – good point
22:35 verso : @aweiss: LOL
22:35 grigs : @aweiss lol
22:35 letsroll : @aweiss Ha!
22:35 sharrypdx : good question tim
22:35 schwa : tim: it is already tapering off a little
22:35 dieselboi : already there are too many dupes
22:35 EndlessMonkeys : it’s the mobile sphere @timsears. it’ll prune itself
22:35 schwa : (from a consulting perspective)
22:35 znmeb : prunes?
22:35 dieselboi : i need an app to tell me when to plant seeds in my garden in my specific region
22:35 timsears : true, i’ve read about how the “updates” factor is being abused to gain more visibility
22:36 turoczy : I do anything Apple tells me to do
22:36 dieselboi : also speech to text twitter
22:36 schwa : tim: yes that’s definitely happening
22:36 ahockley : Oh yes.  Everyone should buy apps based on the fact they randomly appeared in a commercial by accident.  That’s an AWESOME strategy.
22:36 Nyco : Hallo!
22:36 ahockley : I must’ve totally missed her point.
22:36 schwa : uh yeah
22:36 dieselboi : i want a lava lamp
22:36 verso : @ahockley: We’re on WHAT season of American Idol? Survivor? Nobody said consumers were paragons of brilliance.
22:36 nahbois : i do want that -read an mri app just because of the commercial
22:36 ahockley : @turoczy You probably agreed to that in the iTunes TOS
22:36 ahockley : @verso Well stated
22:36 znmeb : lava lamp hell … I want a volcano!
22:37 doc normal remote : It’s like an ad you see on TV. There’s a certain momentum to what you see on screen.
22:37 sharrypdx : wow verson — paragons?!
22:37 BMW : OH @ #SLL “I’m going back behind the camera” (@aweiss)
22:37 dieselboi : wouldn’t it be cool to get tv shows easily on the iphone?  no, not that easy
22:37 verso : What I think she is talking about is how there are obsessive apple fanboys who check out ALL the apps mentioned in the add.
22:37 verso : ad, rather.
22:37 swagnerdesigns : I don’t even have an iphone yet, but I wouldn’t buy an app just because it’s showcase
22:37 nahbois : I didn’t cross the streams… oh computer why won’t you provide me with streaming video
22:37 BMW : @ahockley’s TOS chat made an indirect appearance on The Lars Larson show today
22:37 verso : Would anyone know Feist if she wasn’t the theme for the Hobbit Nano?
22:37 timsears : yeah but that skateboard trick app looks just so damn cool
22:37 schwa : “as seen on tv” apps get more eyeballs. obviously
22:38 swagnerdesigns : I like apps that would really work for me
22:38 timsears : but not 5 bucks cool
22:38 dieselboi : @verso – interesting
22:38 dieselboi : really smart!@
22:38 BMW : Great question by @drnormal
22:38 turoczy : My half-hours must draaaag then
22:38 dieselboi : @schwa  – now, they require wifi to download
22:38 aweiss : Thank you @drnormal!
22:38 schwa : ?
22:38 verso : @bmw: just BUY Tweetie already.
22:39 nahbois : for the blind ones in the chat room… what ?
22:39 verso : well ok during the break. BUY IT
22:39 BMW : @verso will do now.
22:39 shoujigui : Thanks for the question, Dr. N.
22:39 dieselboi : @bmw – it is only 99c: here’s a buck.
22:39 ahockley : If you’re not monitoring Twitter, @kram posted his IP5 photos – he did a great job.  He even made me look non-hideous!
22:39 letsroll : curious to hear James’ answer given she left W+K for this gig
22:39 verso : BREAKING:
22:39 BMW : @dieselboi REALLY just handed me a buck
22:39 Nyco : Whatever you put in a cup like that must taste amazing…
22:39 verso : @dieselboi is giving @bmw Tweetie Money
22:39 grigs : this is where raven and i disagree.
22:40 dieselboi : @grigs.  do tell
22:40 aweiss : Android does.
22:40 nahbois : I didn’t even know she had left w+k
22:40 timsears : You have to wonder if at some point in the next 2 years, the mobile web is going to be the focal point for developers again.
22:40 schwa : @grigs Can you guys teach me JS when the iphone tanks?
22:40 dieselboi : @grigs.  i’ll give you a buck
22:40 grigs : @dieselbol for another day.
22:40 aweiss : Lots of phoneless android devices in the pipe right now.
22:40 sharrypdx : and they have Steve Jobs.
22:40 sharrypdx : for now. . .
22:40 davidkonsumer : i think their secret weapon is restrictrive licensing.
22:40 schwa : david: that’s bs.
22:41 ahockley : I bought an iTouch.  I’m vastly underutilizing the device.  I should’ve just bought a nano.
22:41 schwa : how does restrictive licensing sell phones?
22:41 letsroll : @timsears I think it will be for many developers
22:41 aweiss : Good experience sells phones.
22:41 schwa : yup
22:41 aweiss : And good experience trumps restrictive licensing.
22:41 davidkonsumer : it doesn’t. it means that when you make an app, you will sell it.
22:41 schwa : that’s not true
22:41 Nyco : I think that part of it is good experience, but some of it is trendiness
22:41 sharrypdx : Apple secret weapon is “COOL FACTOR”
22:41 schwa : there are a tonne of free apps on the iphone
22:41 davidkonsumer : right….
22:41 EndlessMonkeys : I Will say that the similarity of the user experience between all apple devices does give it an edge
22:41 grigs : apple is a very small percentage of mp3 players
22:41 dieselboi : @sharrypdx – well said
22:41 Nyco : I know several people who bought ipods because they seemed the “it” thing to buy
22:41 nahbois : aweiss but it helped that apple had a huge brand presence
22:41 schwa : and most apps aren’t that successful
22:41 aweiss : The question is who can make a better experience
22:42 dieselboi : shiny and cool wins the game
22:42 schwa : aweiss: and looking at Android vs iPhone
22:42 schwa : i’d say iphone wins
22:42 EndlessMonkeys : but the “Google OS” is still being bandied about. So I think it’s a matter of (vastly decreasing) time
22:42 verso : I think what’s interesting about the Touch is that it is basically the same as the iPhone.
22:42 timsears : what frustrates me are the iPhone apps that are simply wrapping a mobile web app.
22:42 schwa : the Pre is the machine to watch for
22:42 Nyco : …not because they had any idea how they worked
22:42 shoujigui : It’s no different – Apple came very late to the cell phone market, too.
22:42 mmathews : Apple did not come at the right time, they came with the right product and tie in.
22:42 aweiss : Android experience isn’t there yet.
22:42 nahbois : people are forgiving of the quirks because they have had a previous good experience with the brand
22:42 timsears : Why not market it for a broader market?
22:42 verso : Is there a Blackberry that doesn’t do the phone part which is just as useful to people?
22:42 schwa : yeah android is really bad
22:42 aweiss : But it’s evolving much much faster than iPhone
22:42 mmathews : iPod was notthing until iTunes
22:42 schwa : Pre looks really sexy though
22:42 mmathews : First G iPods were hardly catching fire
22:43 BMW : I dunno about ya’ll… I can’t figure out how to get Latitude (google mpas) on my android phone. l ol
22:43 verso : I LOVE DIZZY BEE!!
22:43 agray : @verso of course not.  BlackBerry is email.  (from a brand perspective).
22:43 Nyco : @verso they don’t make one, so it’s hard to compare apples to, well, apples so to speak
22:43 aweiss : I suspect I’ll end up on Pre, though
22:43 EndlessMonkeys : really @BMW?
22:43 dieselboi : what do we think will be dominant in 5 yrs
22:43 mmathews : I love Latitude!
22:43 sharrypdx : verso, it wouldn’t be a blackberry then. . .
22:43 EndlessMonkeys : mine downloaded automatically and I had it running in seconds
22:43 EndlessMonkeys : it’s just in the maps section
22:43 schwa : uh mmathews iTunes came out 6 months before iPod
22:43 davidkonsumer : it’s not just iphone vs android.
22:43 EndlessMonkeys : turned it on, send out three friend requests, all in under 2 minutes
22:43 ahockley : @verso I don’t get the question.  Then again, I don’t really get the iTouch.
22:43 BMW : Endless – really which?   ya, but blah blah I have a dev edition and put in an AT&T sim… blah blah.
22:43 dieselboi : i am scared of latitude
22:43 verso : @sharry: Right. That’s kind of my point. Take the phone out of iPhone and you still have a useful device.
22:43 EndlessMonkeys : I’m hoping that Latitude soon attempts to replace Locale
22:44 EndlessMonkeys : although I LOVE locale
22:44 BMW : (that and I spent 5 minutes before I puled out the Storm which d/l’d latitude automatically)
22:44 timsears : @semaphoria: just wait till your kid starts writing code
22:44 BMW : Walkman FTW!
22:44 ahockley : @verso Yeah, you have an expensive MP3 player.
22:44 sharrypdx : verso, i’m with you.  here here girl!
22:44 EndlessMonkeys : but to completely tie into Google would be both scary, but impressibley awesome
22:44 agray : Apple make great consumer devices.  RIM makes great business devices (except for the Storm).
22:44 grigs : the lesson is that mobile consumes all tech
22:44 dieselboi : MORE!
22:44 verso : that makes calls and does  email and plays games.
22:44 mmathews : iTunes before iPod? really?
22:44 schwa : mmathews: yeah.
22:44 mmathews : never saw it
22:44 schwa : both came out in 2001
22:44 schwa : but ipod was october ish
22:44 swagnerdesigns : Goodnight all!
22:44 sharrypdx : wow, that went fast!
22:44 schwa : itunes was early
22:44 dieselboi : well done!
22:44 ahockley : @verso I guess I never use my iTouch for anything other than MP3 because I have my blackberry.
22:45 agray : great show
22:45 shoujigui : Anybody think Ignite 5 needed 30-50% more presentations?
22:45 mmathews : Then I am wrong and iPod’s tioo forever to cacth on
22:45 sharrypdx : I’m not a techie, don’t usually understand half of what doc normal says, but tonight’s episode wasAWESOME!
22:45 znmeb : I have my HP Pavilion, a headset and Skype
22:45 Nyco : alright, goodnight all!
22:45 maestrojed : very interesting, great show
22:45 mmathews : remember, the mp3 player market was owned by Intel for a good two years
22:45 sharrypdx : Could have been an hour long.
22:45 swagnerdesigns : Tonight show was very good @sharrypdx
22:46 nahbois : i can’t wait to watch tonight’s show on blip.tv.  I feel like charlie brown
22:46 turoczy : @mmathews Actually, I DON’T remember that. I think that’s the point
22:46 schwa : @mmathew creative.
22:46 EndlessMonkeys : I dunno, the brief parts of last week’s show I caught were really good
22:46 mmathews : Intel got out once the rest of teh market started to catch fire, because Intel only goes into businesses to sell more chips
22:46 timsears : you guys need more than 30 minutes
22:46 schwa : and then apple came in and stole the market from all the mp3 vendors
22:46 ahockley : Sigh.  it’s hard to be a non-Apple-fanboy, non-Democrat in this town. 
22:46 EndlessMonkeys : but then, I’m a fan of cleavage
22:46 aweiss : Don’t spend too much time thinking about the pre-ipod MP3 market… it was so tiny, there weren’t any dominant players.
22:46 timsears : but i guess that’s why there’s after hours
22:46 mmathews : I love my creative, but even they were behind
22:46 doc normal remote : I’m going to take the stream down and then restart.
22:46 sharrypdx : we love you anyway hockley.
22:46 aweiss : What apple did was create a market, not take over one.
22:46 agray : Creative  didn’t position their stuff well and packed too many features into them.
22:47 znmeb : I was a Democrat once
22:47 nahbois : ahockley I’m not a huge apple fan. but I am a dem
22:47 mmathews : Rio was the first popular and they bought it from someone else
22:47 shoujigui : @ahockley Apple <> Democratic party, IMHO.
22:47 EndlessMonkeys : my fiance and I got her kids Creative Zen Stones. such good mp3 players
22:47 aweiss : Creative didn’t focus on a good experience.
22:47 aweiss : Diamond = first Rio owner.
22:47 ahockley : I had a 4th gen iPod 20GB that was a lovely device and lasted several years.  iTunes is what made it smooth for me and others.
22:47 agray : iPod – a thousand songs in your pocket (or whatever).  Brillian.
22:47 timsears : i love my iPhone, even if I’ve only had it 2 days, but I’d hate  to see a monopoly in the mobile market
22:47 znmeb : I love my Zunes
22:47 schwa : welcome to the antisocial
22:47 aweiss : Loved my zune til the battery crapped out.
22:48 timsears : anyone want to see my zune tattoo
22:48 aweiss : Now it’s a pretty brown paperweight.
22:48 timsears : JUST kidding
22:48 nahbois : i love my sony walkman
22:48 sharrypdx : hey doc normal, are you out there?  Check the scroll. . .
22:48 EndlessMonkeys : didn’t that guy get it covered with a portrait of Ballmer?
22:48 grigs : @timsears there are 4b phones on the planet. Apple is a LONG way away from dominating.
22:48 ahockley : I’m curious to see how things end up playing out with Apple/Blackberry and see where the percentages settle.  Too soon to say much about the G1 or Pre, me think
22:48 EndlessMonkeys : which is beyond disturbing, yet somehow an epic win
22:49 znmeb : Netbooks + Skype or Ekiga
22:49 timsears : @grigs but Apple has the upper hand. You followed this last week in Barcelona, right? It was frustrating.
22:49 aweiss : I’m curious to see if Blackberry goes back and fixes the Storm, or gives up and builds the slider they should’ve built to begin with.
22:49 turoczy : I still carry a boombox around. And my flattened cardboard box for breakdancing
22:49 sharrypdx : now turoczy is OLD SCHOOL.
22:50 nahbois : i wear rollerskates and smack gum
22:50 ahockley : @aweiss Blackberry trying to do touchscreen was a sad attempt at pretending to be Apple
22:50 grigs : @timsears the world wide perspective is that apple has a lead, but not that far.
22:50 dieselboi : i want to go to there
22:50 znmeb : 64 bits … 4 GB of RAM …
22:50 shoujigui : I think they couldn
22:50 schwa : @grigs what about mindshare?
22:50 aweiss : It was just a  sad attempt to rush to market w/o testing first
22:50 znmeb : two cores … a keyboard
22:50 shoujigui : t answer the question about where the  iPhone platform is going because it doesn’t have anywhere to go next.
22:50 sharrypdx : nice job doc!
22:50 aweiss : Then they tried to backtrack by saying “sure, we released a buggy device. that’s the reality of the market now.”
22:51 ahockley : @aweiss I have yet to be convinced that a diehard Blackberry person can do a touchscreen.  I know I sure as hell can’t.
22:51 timsears : @grigs i’m not taking sides, but it seemed like the consensus was that everyone else is still playing catchup.
22:51 agray : Honestly, I miss my palm pilot with the fold out, full-size keyboard from Targus.
22:51 aweiss : It’s not aimed at diehard Crackberry addicts, though.
22:51 aweiss : It was supposed to expand their market.
22:51 sharrypdx : hockley, the screen learns how you type and becomes easier as you use it.
22:51 znmeb : My erizon contract is up
22:51 timsears : @grigs lets just say I have very high expectations for WinMo 7, and rightfully so.
22:52 znmeb : I’m in play
22:52 aweiss : And I’m sure WinMo 7 will be wonderful… in 2010.
22:52 schwa : @timsears is that the one with those cute hex icons?
22:52 kmcdade : Oops, breaktime already?  I had to break away for a few…
22:52 timsears : @schwa thats 6.5
22:52 znmeb : I can pretty much guarantee I won’t get an iPhone
22:52 schwa : doubles as a settlers of catan console
22:52 grigs : @schwa definitively part of it. i love my iphone, but i just think people overstate iphone a bit.
22:52 aweiss : Engadget ripped 6.5 a new one this week.
22:52 Skunk Punk : I loved that!  My friend Raven’s a genius and James is fantastic!!!!
22:52 ahockley : @sharrypdx Maybe.  I ran out of patience before my iTouch learned how I type.
22:53 EndlessMonkeys : predictive text is a horrible idea
22:53 Skunk Punk : Nighty night everyone
22:53 EndlessMonkeys : I seriously hate the hell out of it
22:53 sharrypdx : hockley, what did it for me is that my internet went out for a couple of days
22:53 schwa : endless it works for me
22:53 timsears : @aweiss yep, they did, but despite that, the diamond 2 with winmo 6.5 will still be sexy as hell
22:53 kmcdade : Nighty night from me too…have fun during afterhours
22:53 znmeb : try dasher sometime … ick … ick
22:53 sharrypdx : I used the iphone for email and it learned me fast!
22:53 schwa : i just type as fast as i can and 99% of the time the iphone guesses right
22:53 Skunk Punk : Thank you!!!  Sweet dreams everyone
22:53 aweiss : Sexy as long as you don’t leave the Hex launcher.
22:54 EndlessMonkeys : for some reason, I just do so much better with regular input
22:54 aweiss : The calendar & contacts still look as awful as ever.
22:54 ahockley : @sharrypdx Interesting.  I guess I’m just a fan of the fact that my Blackberry keyboard “just works”
22:54 EndlessMonkeys : my pearl took some getting used to. the regular keyboard on my G1 just went naturally
22:54 aweiss : They needed to redesign from the ground up.
22:54 schwa : this is the longest i have seen raven ever go without checking messages on his iphone
22:54 Skunk Punk : I love the Blackberry…my crackberry addiction has been going on for years — okay time to sleep
22:54 timsears : @aweiss to each his own. i’m an iphone owner working for a msft-centric company I love ‘em both.
22:54 aweiss : Putting a pretty launcher on it just reinforces how old the rest of the interface is.
22:54 sharrypdx : hockley, that’s why we have different colors in this big beautiful world. . .
22:54 Skunk Punk : i want an iPhone with a full keyboard
22:55 EndlessMonkeys : that’s why I think the G2 is pure ***
22:55 aweiss : (I’m saying this as a former MSFT UI PM — my inclination is to give them the benefit of the doubt.)
22:55 EndlessMonkeys : virtual keyboard. ugh
22:55 schwa : iphone wont ever get a full keyboard
22:55 EndlessMonkeys : christ, I’m starting to sound like Maddox
22:55 schwa : dont expect any major form factor changes in a long long time
22:56 timsears : @aweiss I think their on the right track, but everyone is playing catchup to the iPhone.  At least they aren’t in Palm’s position
22:56 sharrypdx : iphone will get voice to text recognition before it gets a real keyboard.
22:56 timsears : their = they’re.
22:56 aweiss : Except Palm’
22:56 schwa : timsears: i bought a load of PALM stock the other day
22:56 schwa : the pre scares me
22:56 aweiss : Palm’s next gen OS is done.
22:56 EndlessMonkeys : voice to text isn’t that new
22:56 timsears : yes way to go Palms legal team
22:56 aweiss : WinMo 7 is years out.
22:56 EndlessMonkeys : hell, an old Samsung that I had at least 5 years ago had it
22:57 sharrypdx : yeah, but it hasn’t worked well . .
22:57 turoczy : I’ve got my Palm Vx all charged up for when Palms are popular again
22:57 EndlessMonkeys : it did on the samsung I had
22:57 phillipk : volume on or off?
22:57 EndlessMonkeys : unless you mean more like natural speech recognition
22:57 turoczy : I’m totally beaming you my business card
22:57 EndlessMonkeys : then I’m pretty much talking right out of my ***
22:57 BMW : did I miss anything?
22:57 schwa : no
22:57 sharrypdx : yeah. I do
22:57 aweiss : Palm Vx still the greatest mobile design ever.
22:57 verso : kicking the stream
22:57 grigs : I really like the Pre. Can’t wait to test it. (And find out what the grey market is for bringing a gsm model from europe)
22:57 timsears : Don’t get me wrong, the Pre looks rad. But talk about bad timing.
22:57 aweiss : Such a beautiful little box.
22:58 EndlessMonkeys : *makes mental note to check out the Pre*
22:58 nahbois : great… voice to text… i’m already tired of repeating “schedule a pickup”  I feel sorry for the poor sod who sits next to me while I’m trying to voicetext
22:58 schwa : timsears: i dont think so.
22:58 sharrypdx : BMW, did you see then fight?  If not , you might have missed something.
22:58 aweiss : What’s bad about the Pre’s timing?
22:58 phillipk : can’t hear it
22:58 schwa : its the first cell phone apart fromt he iphone without a shitastic ui
22:58 turoczy : @aweiss Agree. I still try to do grafitti on my iPhone every once in awhile
22:59 verso : Stream getting a big fat reboot
22:59 dieselboi : so, anyone want a cookie?
22:59 aweiss : @nahbois hits why voice-to-text will never catch on.
22:59 aweiss : It’s only useful when you’re alone.
22:59 crunchysue : Thanks for the cookies, @dieselboi
22:59 turoczy : I just developed a hypothesis that every tech bust is preceded immediately by the dominance of a handheld device. *dons tinfoil hat*
23:00 dieselboi : more to come next friday hopefully
23:00 timsears : @aweiss Correction, may not have been timing, but Apple’s patents and reaction to Palm’s UI / multitouch implementation.
23:00 aweiss : Oh, Palm’s got plenty of mobile patents that pre-date Apple’s.
23:01 aweiss : They can litigate to the ends of the earth.
23:01 aweiss : Because undoubtedly the iPhone’s infringing on some Palm patent from 1994.
23:01 dieselboi : test new color
23:01 schwa : they;ll just pay each other off. like apple did with cisco to get teh iphone name
23:01 timsears : Sounds like I could be just a victim of the press, then.
23:01 aweiss : @schwa exactly.
23:01 dieselboi : asagag
23:02 znmeb : yeah…  fight for a slice of the pie instead of baking a new one … that’s stupid
23:02 timsears : It’s a pretty senseless battle anyway, though, as there’s so many blatant iPhone knockoffs as it is.
23:02 grigs : about to be a smack down here.
23:02 schwa : so still no audio?
23:02 znmeb : never sue anyone with more money than you have
23:02 ahockley : So: technical standpoint question – will the iPhone OS ever allow for multiple apps to run at once?  Or is that possible now?
23:02 BMW : hmm.
23:02 schwa : shockley: NOT possible now
23:02 schwa : Hopefully something like that WILL be possible in future
23:02 aweiss : is it a software or a hardware limitation?
23:02 schwa : software
23:02 agray : They won’t even pay each other off.   I’ve got patents, you’ve got patents, let’s not make a mess.
23:03 znmeb : probably not enough RAM
23:03 schwa : well hardware in so far as the hardware is very limited
23:03 aweiss : So in theory a multitasking iPhone OS could be backported?
23:03 schwa : but its a software decision apple made
23:03 ahockley : @schwa How does that work for things like email and such.  One only gets mail if they explicitly check, or is there a special mail daemon?
23:03 dieselboi : its the aliens
23:03 schwa : apple apps are special
23:03 sharrypdx : Is anyone going to watch Conan’s last show tonight?
23:03 schwa : but 3rd party apps are restricted
23:03 aweiss : Or they won’t build an OS with background support until the 4G+ hardware lands
23:03 schwa : there is background support. just apple doesn’t let us use it
23:03 turoczy : @sharrypdx Yes, on hulu
23:04 znmeb : I haven’t watched Conan ever … why should I start now?
23:04 schwa : apps are terminated when the user presses buttons/switches to another app etc
23:04 timsears : isnt’ conan taking over for leno?
23:04 ahockley : @schwa have you ever heard a good reason as to why it’s restricted now?
23:04 aweiss : yes, later this year.
23:04 sharrypdx : turoczy, but that’s not old school.
23:04 dieselboi : i want vanilla ice cream
23:04 schwa : shockley: battery life
23:04 Ron : Consider the different approach between a PS3 and a Wii (complexity vs. simplicity).  A correlation between WM phones and Iphone (complexity vs. simplicity)?
23:04 aweiss : he’s due in portland sometime next month on the press tour
23:04 schwa : background apps that are bad citizens EAT battery
23:04 grigs : having some tech issues here
23:04 turoczy : @sharrypdx I mean, I set my VCR
23:04 ahockley : Because the one-app-at-a-time restriction is a WTF for me.  Kind of like copy/pasted.
23:04 schwa : apple is all about battery life
23:04 petegrillo : i have nothing here
23:04 aweiss : hopeful we’ll get him on live @ 7
23:04 schwa : shockley: Android does it REALLY well
23:05 turoczy : @petegrillo You missed all the Palm Vx talk
23:05 schwa : they’re not really apps on the android though
23:05 timsears : i just switched from a ipod touch 1.0 to an iphone. i’m in battery life heaven.
23:05 sharrypdx : turoczy, much better.  Can you get it on 8 track?
23:05 ahockley : @schwa what is the battery life of an iPhone used fairly heavily?  Like Raven’s for example.
23:05 znmeb : android is Linux and Java
23:05 schwa : no clue
23:05 EndlessMonkeys : the battery on the G1 could be tweaked a bit tho
23:05 grigs : if you wiggle it back and forth, it perks it right up according to @verso
23:05 EndlessMonkeys : it does tend to deplete pretty quickly
23:05 aweiss : Not to mention replaced by the end user.
23:05 turoczy : @sharrypdx Sorry, my VCR is betamax. Maybe I can get you the laserdisc?
23:05 EndlessMonkeys : that’s my biggest complaint about my g1 so far
23:06 schwa : apple went without end user replacable batterys for good reaso
23:06 schwa : reason too
23:06 ahockley : @schwa why?
23:06 aweiss : Good rea$on$….
23:06 EndlessMonkeys : apple controls the guts, end to end
23:06 schwa : in

23:16 ahockley : The answer is on his website.  Hasn’t Cami taught her daughter how to use the Google?
23:16 schwa : turoczy – i’ve heard this about 1000000 times
23:16 turoczy : @unclenate You are a walking fashion opportunity
23:16 Unclenate : They get him laid
23:16 schwa : although the breast thing is new
23:16 mmathews : the breast mention is new
23:16 agray : You can’t just take your breasts off, tho.
23:16 sharrypdx : i’d rather look at breast than glasses. . .
23:16 Oleoptene : To you.
23:16 mmathews : and I’m late….
23:17 schwa : @oleoptene lol
23:17 EndlessMonkeys : he shoudl put little red blobs near the temples
23:17 turoczy : Do the pose!
23:17 turoczy : Do the holding up the iPhone pose!
23:17 ahockley : @agray To quote one of the WordCamp Vegas attendees “These cost me $15,000!”  For that price, I’d think she could take them off.
23:17 agray : @ahockley LOL
23:17 EndlessMonkeys : he could have a facial piercing or tat
23:17 BMW : Weird… you mean, like coming on this #SLL show? 
23:17 dieselboi : YAY marvel comics
23:17 Oleoptene : Like give up sugar.
23:18 dieselboi : i disagree
23:18 verso : OMG Becky!
23:18 dieselboi : james is a beautiful name for a girl
23:18 turoczy : Keller is weird
23:18 dieselboi : like charlie or forest
23:18 BMW : How’s the HP Netbook @dieslboi?
23:18 schwa : should start calling her jimbo
23:19 agray : SHould have called the kidbot JimBob.
23:19 dieselboi : @bmw – challenging after a bottle of wine and a few beers and a vodka cockktailll
23:19 EndlessMonkeys : James, Jamie, and Pat
23:19 EndlessMonkeys : happy family
23:19 sharrypdx : Jimmy likes Elaine.
23:19 dieselboi : i want to go to therer
23:19 BMW : yes, 92% of the keyboard is difficult.
23:19 oregon_tony : Her social security will be screwed up when she is older <name change>
23:19 ahockley : @BMW 92% – that’s what, everything but the space bar?
23:20 dieselboi : yugo
23:20 dieselboi : is the word of the evening
23:20 dieselboi : as in “you go”
23:20 ahockley : When Cami signed a model release as Cambra I did a quick double take
23:20 dieselboi : yougo
23:20 BMW : nice ahockley
23:20 sharrypdx : no you go
23:20 agray : A yugo blew off the Mackinac Bridge in Michigan in the 80′s.
23:20 schwa : what’s the delay  on the stream? gotta be a few seconds.
23:20 dieselboi : first purchae
23:21 schwa : duh
23:21 EndlessMonkeys : 3g = modern sexy tech
23:21 EndlessMonkeys : shiny!
23:21 mmathews : back to an iPhone discussion?
23:21 timsears : ooh bias
23:21 ahockley : New subject!
23:21 ahockley : We get it.  They like iPhones.
23:21 dieselboi : throw out a subject
23:21 schwa : shockley: what should be the topic?
23:21 sharrypdx : umm hockley, they are iphone app developers. .  .
23:21 schwa : they just started an iphone company
23:21 ahockley : @sharry normally in afterhours they move onto new subjects
23:22 mmathews : hey, iPhone is a market maker
23:22 EndlessMonkeys : 3g ho?
23:22 timsears : expense it!
23:22 EndlessMonkeys : odd
23:22 mmathews : but we already covered it
23:22 EndlessMonkeys : yet intriguing
23:22 schwa : ouch
23:22 AdamD : Aren’t they there to talk iPhone?!
23:22 ahockley : lol the logo
23:22 EndlessMonkeys : oh, snap
23:22 ahockley : @AdamD no, the tech show was about iPhone.  This is afterhours.
23:23 EndlessMonkeys : Afterhours is mostly about random topics and donkeys
23:23 BMW : donkeys!
23:23 ahockley : Topics: trainporn, sam adams, ignite, barcamp,
23:23 oregon_tony : turn off 3G, location, frequent push, wifi, turn on as needed
23:23 znmeb : burros
23:23 BMW : oregon_tony then you have an ipod touch
23:23 ahockley : How Raven manages to have four kids and still do all his tech stuff
23:23 timsears : @oregon_tony so basically.. just use phone an text?
23:24 BMW : ahockley good question!
23:24 ahockley : working on subjects here… what happened to portland on fire?
23:24 schwa : @ahockley -> oleoptene
23:24 Oleoptene : @ahockley, ooh, I know the answer.
23:24 oregon_tony : but you can turn it into a iPhone when you need to and the battery lasts all day+
23:24 schwa : heh
23:24 pdxjoe : treo was awesome!
23:24 Unclenate : Treo certainly was better and better over time
23:24 ahockley : @doc I can’t type on my iTouch.  Is there a class?
23:25 crunchysue : typing on iPhone sucks
23:25 Unclenate : I’ve had every one since the Treo 150
23:25 voostru : auto spell check on iphone is a mess
23:25 aweiss : Even the tiny Centro keyboard is surprisingly useable.
23:25 pdxjoe : back when only nerds had apps on their phone… I miss being nerdy
23:25 timsears : yep, i am all thumbs on the iPhone
23:25 oregon_tony : also RichardSolo iPhone battery extender works for a couple of extra hours of juice
23:25 schwa : i was on a conference  last year with a guy who wrote the first draft of his dev book on his iphone
23:25 aweiss : The browser sucks, of course, but texting on PalmOS is great.
23:25 crunchysue : I’m horrible at it.
23:25 Unclenate : No rev a evdo in teh Centro at the time I was looking
23:25 ahockley : It’s interesting to hear all the iPHone users agree that typing is fairly crappy.  But that doesn’t stop them from being iPhone users.
23:26 znmeb : I used to build web sites on an HP100LX
23:26 verso : I don’t think it’s crappy.
23:26 schwa : less crappy than a full keyboard
23:26 mmathews : @ahockley – it’s the experience, not the tech
23:26 verso : But I have girl hands.
23:26 BMW : I think the keyboard is decent… but yes, experience not the tech.
23:26 verso : So I’m not the best of cases.
23:26 schwa : very decent
23:26 sharrypdx : hockley, we have iphone for ifart, not for typing. . .
23:26 EndlessMonkeys : <– totally LOVES that the G1 has c/p
23:26 dieselboi : weigh the challenges with the ipone vs. the iphone store
23:26 ahockley : @sharrypdx
23:26 timsears : nobody likes to read long e-mails anyway.
23:26 schwa : G1 KB is shite though
23:26 znmeb : donp???
23:26 EndlessMonkeys : honestly, it isn’t. I love it
23:27 schwa : you must have girly fingers
23:27 BMW : @verso maybe that’s my presentation
23:27 dieselboi : and with that, @bmw brings out the G1
23:27 EndlessMonkeys : well, my fiance isn’t complaining
23:27 crunchysue : was it linuxaid?
23:27 ahockley : And… there goes the audio… splat.
23:27 EndlessMonkeys : *snark*
23:27 aweiss : uh oh, stream died.
23:27 oregon_tony : “Freeze”
23:27 schwa : audio and video
23:27 turoczy : Talk about Android and the stream breaks?
23:27 agray : no stream.  dang
23:27 znmeb : phock!
23:27 mmathews : isac Potozny-jones
23:27 aweiss : with that… probably time for me to turn into a pumpkin.
23:27 shoujigui : Cool, the sound dropped out when I entered Japanese text.
23:27 turoczy : I smell a conspiracy
23:27 EndlessMonkeys : the stream fears android?
23:27 dieselboi : cuff me too
23:27 pdxjoe : bummer.
23:27 schwa : this technology stuff is tricky
23:27 BMW : sorry… I happen to have a storm, android and an iphone on me at this poin.t
23:27 aweiss : will catch the rest of afterhours on the podcast.
23:27 aweiss : ‘night campers!
23:27 petegrillo : frozen everything
23:28 znmeb : pheasant dreams aweiss
23:28 ahockley : @BMW is there anything about the storm that you like?
23:28 mmathews : so BMW, which do you like for what
23:28 shoujigui : Mogulus can’t handle utf8, I guess.
23:28 agray : good show.  night all.
23:28 Ron : And the stream breaks when the talk about Android…hmmm…Apple censorship??
23:28 mmathews : lol
23:28 timsears : Soooooo….
23:28 EndlessMonkeys : I do wish that the g1 had the rotational thing that the iphone and the storm enjoy
23:28 timsears : Who’s excited about Silverlight 3? hehe
23:28 ahockley : WE’re back!
23:28 znmeb : back!
23:28 dieselboi changed their nickname to sorry.
23:28 schwa : endless: whipping out the keyboard every 2 minutes on the G1 gets old
23:29 mmathews : EndlessMonkeys — there is a G1 app that rotates the screen
23:29 schwa : with cupcake it wont be needed
23:29 sorry changed their nickname to sorry.
23:29 EndlessMonkeys : for me, so far, it hasn’t. that said, it’s a tradeoff I make I think
23:29 BMW : sorry changed their nickname?
23:29 sorry changed their nickname to dieselboi.
23:29 ahockley : Is there a way to disable the screen rotation on my iTouch?
23:29 EndlessMonkeys : so it’s one of those “well, I can deal with this” things
23:29 BMW : night agray
23:29 schwa : endless: i guess YMMV form mine. i like how the kb on the iphone is there when i needed it
23:30 BMW : raven “Got busy work work” …go figure. 
23:30 schwa : also i cant type on that thing to save my life
23:30 dieselboi : peanut conspiracy
23:30 EndlessMonkeys : the kb on the iphone is cool from a ui standpoint. I love the fact that it’s a pretty ui
23:30 BMW : Things we can say about rick.
23:30 turoczy : ish
23:30 verso : I think @bmw wants one of these: http://www.mophie.com/collections/iphone-3g-accessories
23:30 EndlessMonkeys : so far the iphone virtual keyboard seems just as responsive as any other kb
23:30 EndlessMonkeys : but I like the tactile feel of my g1 kb
23:30 mmathews : Rick! Your nuts! You already don’t sleep
23:31 timsears : i tried to fill mine out, but i got distracted
23:31 turoczy : @mmathews It’s part of the workflow
23:31 ahockley : Curious how this fits into Rick’s “cutting back” thing.
23:31 turoczy : Yes sir
23:31 turoczy : I’m on it
23:31 EndlessMonkeys : wtf. do I need to go out and set up a profile?
23:31 EndlessMonkeys : ugh
23:31 voostru : need to edit mine
23:31 znmeb : do I need to have a profile now?
23:31 mmathews : part of teh workflow,…I’ll have to consider that
23:31 znmeb : yet another profile?
23:31 BMW : @verso I have one, why?  two actually… can’t wait for the new one
23:31 verso : well I meant the new one.
23:31 BMW : yes… indeed.
23:31 schwa : what happens if there is ever a big fire in portland no on will believe you folks
23:31 EndlessMonkeys : *hmmmm*
23:31 verso : I have no issue with battery life but I don’t have push turned on.
23:31 ahockley : @znmeb have you looked at portlandonfire?
23:32 EndlessMonkeys : on the site now and debating it
23:32 turoczy : @ahockley You’d be amazed at what I can cut back. There are wasted hours everywhere
23:32 EndlessMonkeys : am I interesting enough to be met.. *hmmm*
23:32 BMW : @verso — I manage to deal with my battery.
23:32 dieselboi : support group!
23:32 voostru : no doubt
23:32 dieselboi : beerandblog is the support group
23:32 dieselboi : makes us sane
23:32 timsears : i cheated and married an artist.
23:32 BMW : props to beer and blog
23:33 BMW : (again)
23:33 BMW : ((**Still**??))
23:33 dieselboi : i cheated and dated an IPA
23:33 schwa : dream on James
23:33 timsears : @dieselboi as in.. the beer???
23:33 BMW : turoczy — wasted hours = sleep time
23:33 dieselboi : we broke up though.  I moved on to ESBs

3:33 doc normal remote : laptop overheated
23:33 grigs : raven is a slave driver
23:33 Unclenate : Ignite Android preso (and all the others!) will be here later…  http://bit.ly/Y9IXE
23:33 schwa : voostru: we got a name
23:34 schwa : it isn’t raven.we
23:34 timsears : @dieselboi i’m having a one night stand with about  5 stouts tonight.
23:34 dieselboi : @timsears – yes, as in beer
23:34 schwa : or .us
23:34 BMW : doc normal – it’s kay that is the noise you heard… noisy fan from macbook air
23:34 Unclenate : Uh oh
23:34 dieselboi : @timsears.  well done!@
23:34 dieselboi : small keyboard
23:34 verso : He means the Star Wars Film “Empire Strikes Back”
23:34 BMW : timsears: in one night?  nice.
23:34 timsears : thats just how i roll
23:34 timsears : lol
23:34 BMW : and speaking of starwards… webtrands ad FTW
23:34 BMW : (star wars)
23:35 verso : what’s a starward?
23:35 schwa : “thought leadership”?
23:35 verso :
23:35 dieselboi : sales people
23:35 oregon_tony : no guilt for the carbon footprint for flying?
23:35 ahockley : Every week, I plan to work while I monitor SLL.  It’s a funny weekly recurring joke.
23:35 BMW : it’s like an inflight attendant in space.  “starward”
23:35 dieselboi : studio audience chairs need cushions
23:35 AdamD : @ahockley I was thinking the same thing tonight.
23:35 BMW : @ahockley – can I invite you to the audience 4/10?
23:35 verso : Is there a Star June to go with Star Ward? Is their kid the Space Beaver?
23:36 BMW : dieselboi studio audience needs less smartasses
23:36 verso : oh yes. it’s officially #afterhours now.
23:36 turoczy : @ahockley Same
23:36 znmeb : Space Beaver? OMG!
23:36 BMW : (oops, I can say “asses” during #afterhours, right?)
23:36 shoujigui : Ok, gotta try putting utf8 text in here again to see if it crashes twice.
23:36 EndlessMonkeys : studio audience needs pillows, not chairs
23:36 EndlessMonkeys : just bean bags everywhere
23:36 dieselboi : #smartasshashtagawesomeness
23:36 verso : What the chat room ACTUALLY needs is people with laptops that don’t make “jet plane takeoff” noises.
23:36 ahockley : @BMW Sure.  Just make sure you talk to Cami.  She’s the boss.
23:36 grigs : lol
23:36 timsears : is it bad to incorporate star wars into your presentation deck?
23:37 dieselboi : leavin’ on a jet plane……sing along
23:37 BMW : @Verso here ya’ go:  “Thanks for Watching”
23:37 ahockley : @verso Guessing that’s not a PC, huh?
23:37 verso : tim: When you present to the vatican, maybe.
23:37 verso : to me, heck no!
23:37 BMW : ahockley it’s okay, I typed  “baseball” and it all worked out.
23:37 schwa : vatican?
23:37 dieselboi : catholic
23:37 timsears : @verso what if i photoshopped chewie with a rosary
23:37 verso : then the pope might like it.
23:37 timsears : roaaaaaar
23:38 turoczy : THAT’s my problem
23:38 voostru : lose the deal at the first meeting?
23:38 ahockley : What about if I have multiple personalities, but at least 2 are smart?
23:38 verso : turoczy you’re giving powerpoint presos to the pope!?
23:38 Oleoptene : Yay schwa.
23:38 turoczy : @voostru No smart people
23:38 BMW : I think @dieselboi had to go pee
23:38 grigs : alright. giving up on my mac. no charge.
23:38 schwa : heh
23:38 AdamD : I get stuff done when it freezes.
23:39 ahockley : @grigs no power cords near your feet?
23:39 schwa : raven was talking about the  other schwa
23:39 turoczy : @grigs There’s half a Mac power supply over there
23:39 schwa : the one who is good at the person to person stuff
23:39 grigs : left my charger at off.
23:39 grigs : office
23:39 ahockley : @schwa Does it disturb you that you have to type out schwa instead of using the symbol?
23:39 schwa : no
23:39 schwa : because i have a symbol
23:39 EndlessMonkeys : there’s nothing to see here in the chatroom
23:39 schwa : whether i use it or not – its mine
23:39 grigs : @bmw helped me out.
23:40 ahockley : @schwa Good point.  You can be the artist formerly known as the symbol that is schwa
23:40 verso : you go @grigs!
23:40 Oleoptene : It’s symbolic of @schwa’s symbolicness.
23:40 grigs : gotta leave the room now. getting deep in here.
23:40 BMW : Are we really laughing at me?   after I gave you a charger??  #nolove
23:40 timsears : blaargh the stream!
23:40 ahockley : @BMW Nah, they’re laughing WITH you.  That’s it.  Sure.
23:40 schwa : hmm
23:40 znmeb : bah!
23:40 schwa : trying to type a schwa character broke the stream
23:41 schwa : did i really do that?
23:41 EndlessMonkeys : I wonder if this is God’s way ofsaying “Go back to Rainbow 6 Vegas 2″
23:41 timsears : I just want to say, in the future, you guys should open afterhours up for Q&A from the chat room
23:41 turoczy : Nice @schwa. Stream breaker.
23:41 EndlessMonkeys : *ponder*
23:41 verso : it’s open
23:41 verso : ask!
23:41 schwa : my bad. sorry
23:41 shoujigui : Cool, this time the Mogulus video and audio both cut out, but the comment stream is still going.  Time to abandon ship.
23:41 timsears : i don’t have a question haha was just saying
23:41 EndlessMonkeys : someone wanna dunk the laptop into something nice n cold?
23:41 schwa : he was just about to mention how awesome @schwa was too
23:42 Unclenate : Yep, it’s been happening all night
23:42 EndlessMonkeys : poor lappy
23:42 verso : we do ask from the chat room
23:42 verso : ack!
23:42 turoczy : This is the way mogulus gets people to pay $350/mo?
23:42 schwa : is this really running on a MBA?
23:42 mmathews : slient AND black! Let’s all move to IRC
23:42 znmeb : color bars?
23:42 mmathews : before teh chat room goes down
23:42 petegrillo : good nite room
23:42 EndlessMonkeys : that’s it. next opportunity I get, I’m showing up at the studio so I don’t miss anything
23:42 verso : chat room works
23:43 EndlessMonkeys : I promise to wear pants
23:43 grigs : @schwa he did mention how awesome @schwa is.
23:43 verso : gnight Pete!
23:43 sharrypdx : well, it’s past my bed time.  good night all.
23:43 EndlessMonkeys : or something that vaguely resembles pants
23:43 verso : I hope you enjoyed what you saw
23:43 schwa : @grigs. great and i missed it.
23:43 schwa : bloody utf-8
23:43 dougcoleman : Blee-org
23:43 Ron : Ok, nite all.
23:43 Unclenate : Nitey nite, off to watch last Conan
23:44 znmeb : Uniform Text F-Up?
23:44 verso : Conan is 12:30 not 11:30
23:44 znmeb : it’s back
23:44 ahockley : Conan the Librarian?
23:44 schwa : it is
23:44 schwa : i was just about to give up
23:44 ahockley : Did we lose chat?
23:44 verso : hooray
23:45 schwa : lagged
23:45 ahockley : Guess not
23:45 turoczy : No we were just waiting for you @ahockley
23:45 schwa : i can spill the beans:
23:45 znmeb : beans?? ick
23:45 dieselboi : no spills
23:45 Oleoptene : The beans app would have to be a farting one, noe?
23:45 oregon_tony : Tivo, go back 3 minutes
23:45 docnormal : Yeah, I now need to move this to a new computer. It’s gone down twice now… sorry folks!
23:46 turoczy : You’re building a fart app? That’s it, isn’t @schwa?
23:46 schwa : *sigh*
23:46 turoczy : I’m posting on this right now
23:46 znmeb : transformative??
23:46 EndlessMonkeys : if I show up at a studio audience DocN, I’ll let you abuse my laptop
23:46 schwa : there’s no air left in the fart app market
23:46 dieselboi : Tiki Drinks!  YAY!
23:46 turoczy : “Raven James and Schwa: All Fart Apps, All the Time”
23:46 ahockley : Do Raven/James have hobbies that dont’ involve a phone?
23:46 oregon_tony : please no one take me “burp” app idea
23:46 oregon_tony : take my….
23:46 timsears : Alright QUESTION! What is your favorite PDX BEER!
23:47 ahockley : Tasty and green?  Awesome.
23:47 znmeb : robot tiki mug
23:47 znmeb : whoa
23:47 built : Wow, I’m crazy late and the show’s still going
23:47 znmeb : the doctor is in
23:47 znmeb : there are *two* tiki robots?
23:47 mmathews : Work done, time for bed—goodnight!
23:48 ahockley : @znmeb Cami has a very impressive collection of tiki mugs
23:48 turoczy : Oh. I need to delete that post, then.
23:48 verso : yes
23:48 verso : two
23:48 znmeb : amber ale good … robot tiki mug bad
23:48 dieselboi : i love me a good martini
23:49 verso : robot tiki mug bad?
23:49 EndlessMonkeys : I can bring cookies. hell, my fiance can bust out some cuppycakes
23:49 dieselboi : and Cami does a good martini
23:49 ahockley : lemon twist martini?  Interesting…
23:49 EndlessMonkeys : I’m not above bribing with food
23:49 znmeb : they’re scary
23:49 schwa : so is this the part where no on talks iphone?
23:49 verso : we are no longer friends.
23:49 znmeb : yes!
23:49 znmeb : no iphone
23:49 unclenate : DrNormal needs a Foley artist
23:49 schwa : raven: iphoneswpro.com
23:50 znmeb : there’s an electronic digital foley you know
23:50 dieselboi : some of us can’t do 3d
23:50 EndlessMonkeys : I do 5d
23:50 dieselboi : we’re blind and all
23:50 built : I’ve never had 3D work for me
23:51 znmeb : I can do 3d but I get headaches
23:51 unclenate : I’m also talking about another set of hands, znmeb
23:51 unclenate :
23:51 ahockley : I was born without the visual pop culture gene.  Haven’t been in a movie theater in years.  Also don’t watch TV.
23:51 schwa : man
23:51 schwa : whats the point of life?
23:51 znmeb : last movie I saw was Minority Report
23:52 built : I haven’t been in a movie theater in years but only because I’ve got tiny kids and no sitter
23:52 timsears : screw it, i’m sneaking beer in anyway.  headache is inevitable.
23:52 grigs : 3D is a reason to go to theater given you have hdtv and home theater
23:52 dieselboi : @schwa to chase aliens, drink beer  and have sexual relations
23:52 znmeb : House of Wax
23:52 ahockley : So, when is SLL going to be in 3D?
23:52 turoczy : Yes but they figured out that they can CHARGE EXTRA for the 3d glasses
23:52 EndlessMonkeys : I’ve always wanted to take a non-3d movie and make it 3d
23:52 EndlessMonkeys : just to see if it alters it
23:52 EndlessMonkeys : like Steel Magnolias: 3d
23:53 ahockley : I can’t think/hear folks talk about 3D without having flashbacks to Captain EO.
23:53 davidkonsumer : totally capt eo was awesome and lame at the same time.
23:53 dieselboi : @treebranch.com
23:54 verso : http://www.vmresource.com/
23:54 turoczy : #getoffmylawn
23:54 EndlessMonkeys : oh god
23:54 turoczy : Oh Viewmaster!
23:54 EndlessMonkeys : I had a viewmaster
23:54 schwa : people in portland actually say “hastag
23:54 znmeb : view master rocked!!
23:54 turoczy : Good ol’ Portland startup
23:54 schwa : ?
23:54 dieselboi : i have a viewmaster from Devil’s Tower, aka Close Encounters of the 3rd kind
23:54 ahockley : OK, who tried to do UTF-8 again…
23:54 schwa : not me
23:54 EndlessMonkeys : sorry, did UTF-9
23:54 turoczy : @schwa I always mistype hastag
23:54 EndlessMonkeys : dangit
23:54 znmeb : right down the street in Beaverton too
23:55 znmeb : made in Beaverton by beavers
23:55 znmeb : WTF-8?
23:55 dieselboi : #hash
23:55 turoczy : Sigh
23:55 EndlessMonkeys : UFIA-3
23:55 dieselboi : tag
23:55 znmeb : UGA
23:55 dieselboi : oops
23:55 turoczy : Mogulus. I do not heart you.
23:55 ahockley : Wasn’t there some thing with the Viewmaster company and toxic chemicals and everyone who worked there has cancer?
23:55 znmeb : TPC
23:55 ahockley : TLA
23:55 znmeb : right
23:55 turoczy : @ahockley Yes. BUT 3D DUDE
23:55 znmeb : chemicals
23:56 schwa : oops almost 3. time to go. g’night real folks and the rest of you bots
23:56 dieselboi : actually it is cd as in cdefghijk
23:56 znmeb : they didn’t tell me about that when I was a kid
23:56 turoczy : Night @schwa
23:56 dieselboi : gnight SCHWA
23:56 timsears : meep
23:56 znmeb : not that it mattered since I lived in RIchland
23:56 timsears : spouse says i have to go to bed, pleasure talking with you all
23:57 timsears : <– not ashamed does not wear the pants
23:57 timsears : lates
23:57 turoczy : Thank goodness. Because Phil was really struggling with that whole shoe thing.
23:58 turoczy : omg @verso needs an insulin shot. Animation geeking overload.
23:58 ahockley : Like in the back of a volkswagen?
23:58 ahockley : @turoczy Vero sounds like she’s on speed or something.
23:58 turoczy : @ahockley Mallrats FTW
23:58 verso : I’ll be ok (:
23:58 turoczy : And we’re out
23:58 ahockley : And verso too
23:58 znmeb : black and white?
23:58 built : ack
23:58 dieselboi : i was once in the back of a volkswagon
23:59 znmeb : aww nutz
23:59 turoczy : This is Strange Love Live in 3d we just need the glasses to see it
23:59 built : heh
23:59 znmeb : back
23:59 voostru : dang, midnight
23:59 built : #after-after-hours
23:59 BMW : @turoczy — do you really want to see me in 3D?
23:59 ahockley : Did we just miss the non-family-oriented part of this show?
23:59 BMW : oh, wait, I’m off-camera….
00:00 turoczy : @bmw I see you in 3d enough. Thank you, though.
00:00 BMW : turoczy — you’re welcome.  I hear KGW is upgrading their transmitter to 3D in time for Monday’s @TheSquare
00:00 unclenate : 2d is sufficient, I perfer “Double D”
00:00 ahockley : Unclenate FTW
00:00 verso : dangit Doctor I wasn’t done getting my animation nerd on!
00:00 built : Double D has a certain ring to it
00:01 unclenate : I would do my utmost to watch
00:01 turoczy : @bmw Is that pre or post the whole “digital conversion” thing?
00:01 dieselboi : blerg
00:01 ahockley : @turoczy must be pre, since I think KGW has postponed their digital conversion until 2074
00:01 BMW : me.  don’t get me started on #DTV
00:02 BMW : 2074 — 5% of PDX **STILL** won’t be ready
00:02 ahockley : I don’t watch TV and I have a converter box.
00:02 znmeb : don’t get me started on color TV
00:02 BMW : double d sounds like a bra size.
00:02 verso : I keep telling you people
00:02 ahockley : @BMW Um…
00:02 dieselboi : i was going to ask a question, but  i think i may mumble
00:02 turoczy : Oh @bmw
00:02 grigs : uh oh, @verso got the mic again. another animation geek-a-thon coming.
00:02 BMW : ahockley — you’re the reason the homeless can’t get the boxes
00:02 unclenate : That’s besides the point
00:02 verso : we will never get EVERYone ready until there is a Matlock episode about the #dtv transition
00:02 ahockley : @BMW I figured they sold the metal that’s inside
00:02 dieselboi : i think the homeless need boxee
00:02 znmeb : is Matlock still on???
00:03 BMW : @verso — you said that before, and I totally agree.  Matlock #DTV FTW
00:03 built : @verso you can pick on Matlock but don’t you touch Murder She Wrote. Or it’s ON :{
00:03 built : er,
00:03 dieselboi : boxes again
00:03 BMW : Coraline mystery box promotion…. did you get one
00:03 verso : sadly no
00:03 dieselboi : isn’t that a gay bar gay bar
00:03 BMW : Boxee FTW
00:03 znmeb : Murder She Wrote is still on?
00:03 BMW : that’d be boxxes btw.
00:03 BMW : and I might have a bar tab there.
00:04 verso : @dieselboi there’s a gay “mystery box” joke to be made there. Several actually. Take your pick
00:04 built : It’s forever on in my hear @znmeb. And on priced-to-own DVDs.
00:04 BMW : @verso — ‘that’s what she said’
00:04 verso : back off it’s #afterhours!
00:04 BMW : thank goodness this is #afterhours
00:04 unclenate : They did that with Batman & many others
00:04 turoczy : …like iPhone apps perhaps?
00:04 dieselboi : @bmw that is what they said
00:04 BMW : “microknitting”?   huh?
00:04 grigs : back to the animation
00:04 znmeb : man … those episodes with Jerry Orbach were wonderful
00:04 grigs :
00:04 turoczy : This is easily the most risque afterhours ever
00:04 turoczy : Knitting, 3d, and iPhones == hawt
00:04 unclenate : Niche, experiencial
00:05 znmeb : inch squared knitting?
00:05 dieselboi : can someone knit me an iphone case?
00:05 built : time for a 3d knitting app for the iphone
00:05 unclenate : Crochet
00:05 unclenate : Hemp
00:05 unclenate : Iphone
00:05 unclenate : Caddy
00:05 BMW : most risque afterhours, or the chatroom
00:06 turoczy : @ahockley That last tweet was awesome
00:06 BMW : dieselboi — here have one of the speck cases I brought
00:06 dieselboi : no one is cussing
00:06 ahockley : @turoczy the public retweet, or the DM?
00:06 turoczy : the DM
00:06 dieselboi : @bmw thank yuou
00:07 dieselboi : @dieselboi needs another wonderful martini
00:07 built : wow, I’m actually compelled to netflix lilo n stich
00:07 BMW : (discount code:  BMW25 speckproducts.com — use, love, enjoy save)
00:07 unclenate : Depends upon the story you told
00:07 turoczy : So… Raven. Where did you get those glasses?
00:07 ahockley : I just realized that Verso elongates syllables (Gorrrrrgeous) just like Dr. Perry Cox.
00:07 grigs : i thought that was a discount code from @bmw for speedoproducts.com
00:07 dieselboi : who is Dr Perry Cox?
00:07 BMW : yes, grigs… 25% off…. you do the math.
00:08 unclenate : A musical stop-motion film about the Bush administration might have very wide appeal
00:08 verso : Whatever you say there MaryEllen.
00:08 ahockley : @dieselboi He’s one a TV show that I don’t watch on TV.
00:08 dieselboi : i think we should have after after hours at PoGos
00:08 turoczy : Blogger?
00:08 BMW : 68isevil.blogspot.com
00:08 turoczy : WTF?
00:08 turoczy : Get him on WordPress for Christ sakes
00:08 znmeb : uh ,,, ok
00:08 ahockley : Friends don’t let friends use Blogger.
00:08 turoczy : 12 year olds should not be using Blogger
00:09 BMW : ouch.
00:09 dieselboi : wow, @turoczy takes on a 12yr old
00:09 turoczy : Bad parenting. Bad Raven. Bad.
00:09 oregon_tony : Star Trek “47″
00:09 grigs : lol
00:09 znmeb : when I was 12 computers were made out of glass and wire
00:09 ahockley : @xolotl is mistaken in that I have something against Drupal.  I don’t.  Drupal is fine.  Blogger on the other hand is a different story.
00:09 dieselboi : well done Raven
00:09 unclenate : The right to sue their parents
00:09 dougcoleman : tell him if he uses blogger he’ll go blind
10 dougcoleman : …or grow hair on his twitter handle
00:10 dieselboi : love this
00:10 dieselboi : meh
00:10 ahockley : A Portlander using Blogger is like a Texan belonging to Greenpeace
00:10 znmeb : pheasant dreams!
00:10 unclenate : Nite!
00:10 turoczy : Great show folks!
00:10 built : @ahockley don’t forget about Austin
00:10 unclenate : Yep
00:10 EndlessMonkeys : outstanding show!
00:10 turoczy : Despite Mogulus being crappy
00:10 dougcoleman : Goodnight now!
00:10 znmeb : Greenpeace Saving the Armadillo!!
00:11 EndlessMonkeys : off to play some Rainbow 6! I’m out

00:11 voostru : was there an ignite ad discussion
00:11 ahockley : The stream is quite reliable now that the show is over
00:12 znmeb : ignite??
00:12 znmeb : exit … stage left
00:12 unclenate : Yeah, isn’t that nice ahockley
00:12 built : what are they signing?
00:12 znmeb : the magna carta
00:12 ahockley : Great show.  ‘night all!
00:12 built : sweet
00:12 verso : built: the canvas
00:12 built : ciao
00:12 grigs : night all
00:12 built : “the” canvas. I see!
00:12 unclenate : nite nite

00:13 built : p/o
00:13 turoczy : Nighty night
00:13 davidkonsumer : gnight all.